Will opposition to the EU fragment in the face of new Labour….

...and what ought to be done about it?

UPDATE: there is a good debate going on over at Samizdata, here.

David Davis

There is a school of thought (to which I do not subscribe) that the Tories are cleverly allowing themselves to be the hard-done-by party, courtesy of Labour who has reneged on a referendum promise about Lisbon. The “Labour has boxed us into a corner on this one, so we’ll have to make the best of a bad job” might wash with Old One-Nation-Tories, and perhaps with neo-Labour-voters coming across. But what about the increasingly large constituency of liberals (both Tory and from elsewhere) who think UKIP is more in the right?

There is a danger of fatally splitting the Tory vote in constituencies where it matters, either for the Tories to hold on to them or to throw Labour out on its ear to simply get a bare majority. We must agree that, if Labour failed properly to rig the election-results in its favour (it  _will_  try: you and I both know it) then a Tory majority, however slight, might give sovereign individuals precious time: either to get out to Montana or Alberta with their assets intact, or to continue to oppose GramscoFabiaNazi creep and EuFederalism, for a bit longer – so that there might – just might – be created what Chris Tame used to call “enough people to make a difference”.

More than one of us on here has already stated that we propose to verbally assault the Tories (if they manage to form a government) just as vehemently over their Europhile and other GFN-type policies, and for their flagrant betrayal of liberal ideas. But the election that matters is _this_ one. There may not be another chance after it.

Their election is (a) more probable than that of UKIP,

and (b) the ratchet of GramscoCollectivism will proceed slightly more slowly under tham than under ZanuLieBorg.

Imagine if you will the re-election of a Gordon Brown administration, next June. How do you all think the bastards are going to feel, and therefore to proceed with all their most nefarious plans? And at what sort of pace?


  1. Where there’s a will there’s a way, they do say. And if the Tories wanted to get out of whatever they claim the Lisbon Treaty has boxed them into, they could. Ergo, there is no will.
    UKIP would be a better alternative but, as you point out, they could hinder the chances of the Tories getting in if they split the vote.
    If one could swing enough Tories to go UKIP then that would be the way to go. If that is highly unlikely then I suppose one should go for the Tories knowing that that EU road show is a comin’ down the road. And I really don’t want to go to Montana.
    One needs to make a noise that will be heard. We know that we are up against deceivers who are selling a soft dictatorship under the guise of it being the best thing since sliced bread for all of us. My unshaken belief is that if you expose lies to the truth (or present the truth to lies) they evaporate because very simply people see they are untrue!
    So I would get the truth out there as fast as possible about what the EU is actually going to do to Britain.
    Make people see the horror, and you may start getting your critical mass of people that will make a difference.
    And just a very few people can do that.

  2. I agree with John B, i would also like to point out that the truth only works when people are shown how the lie will negatively effect them (especialy financialy, people don’t realy know what freedom is anymore unless the state tells them what it is!) and then you see things start to change.

    From the ground up, which means that those whome rely on the state the most must be the ones offered a better future first, show people how real wealth comes through skills,knowledge and connections, not through having it handed to you every fortnight (unless your in politics!)
    Most politicians will go with the flow as long as they get enough votes to secure their “lifestyle.”

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