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Murray Rothbard: Libertarian Socialist

Murray Rothbard: Libertarian Socialist

by Keith Preston • Economics/Class Relations

By Murray Rothbard

Karl Hess’s brilliant and challenging article in this issue raises a problem of specifics that ranges further than the libertarian movement. For example, there must be hundreds of thousands of “professional” anti-Communists in this country. Yet not one of these gentry, in the course of their fulminations, has come up with a specific plan for de-Communization. Suppose, for example, that Messers. Brezhnev and Co. become converted to the principles of a free society; they than [sic] ask our anti-Communists, all right, how do we go about de-socializing? What could our anti-Communists offer them?

This question has been essentially answered by the exciting developments of Tito’s Yugoslavia. Beginning in 1952, Yugoslavia has been de-socializing at a remarkable rate. The principle the Yugoslavs have used is the libertarian “homesteading” one: the state-owned factories to the workers that work in them! The nationalized plants in the “public” sector have all been transferred in virtual ownership to the specific workers who work in the particular plants, thus making them producers’ coops, and moving rapidly in the direction of individual shares of virtual ownership to the individual worker. What other practicable route toward destatization could there be? The principle in the Communist countries should be: land to the peasants and the factories to the workers, thereby getting the property out of the hands of the State and into private, homesteading hands.

The homesteading principle means that the way that unowned property gets into private ownership is by the principle that this property justly belongs to the person who finds, occupies, and transforms it by his labor. This is clear in the case of the pioneer and virgin land. But what of the case of stolen property?

Suppose, for example, that A steals B’s horse. Then C comes along and takes the horse from A. Can C be called a thief? Certainly not, for we cannot call a man a criminal for stealing goods from a thief. On the contrary, C is performing a virtuous act of confiscation, for he is depriving thief A of the fruits of his crime of aggression, and he is at least returning the horse to the innocent “private” sector and out of the “criminal” sector. C has done a noble act and should be applauded. Of course, it would be still better if he returned the horse to B, the original victim. But even if he does not, the horse is far more justly in C’s hands than it is in the hands of A, the thief and criminal.

Let us now apply our libertarian theory of property to the case of property in the hands of, or derived from, the State apparatus. The libertarian sees the State as a giant gang of organized criminals, who live off the theft called “taxation” and use the proceeds to kill, enslave, and generally push people around. Therefore, any property in the hands of the State is in the hands of thieves, and should be liberated as quickly as possible. Any person or group who liberates such property, who confiscates or appropriates it from the State, is performing a virtuous act and a signal service to the cause of liberty. In the case of the State, furthermore, the victim is not readily identifiable as B, the horse-owner. All taxpayers, all draftees, all victims of the State have been mulcted. How to go about returning all this property to the taxpayers? What proportions should be used in this terrific tangle of robbery and injustice that we have all suffered at the hands of the State? Often, the most practical method of de-statizing is simply to grant the moral right of ownership on the person or group who seizes the property from the State. Of this group, the most morally deserving are the ones who are already using the property but who have no moral complicity in the State’s act of aggression. These people then become the “homesteaders” of the stolen property and hence the rightful owners.

Take, for example, the State universities. This is property built on funds stolen from the taxpayers. Since the State has not found or put into effect a way of returning ownership of this property to the taxpaying public, the proper owners of this university are the “homesteaders”, those who have already been using and therefore “mixing their labor” with the facilities. The prime consideration is to deprive the thief, in this case the State, as quickly as possible of the ownership and control of its ill-gotten gains, to return the property to the innocent, private sector. This means student and/or faculty ownership of the universities.

As between the two groups, the students have a prior claim, for the students have been paying at least some amount to support the university whereas the faculty suffer from the moral taint of living off State funds and thereby becoming to some extent a part of the State apparatus.

The same principle applies to nominally “private” property which really comes from the State as a result of zealous lobbying on behalf of the recipient. Columbia University, for example, which receives nearly two-thirds of its income from government, is only a “private” college in the most ironic sense. It deserves a similar fate of virtuous homesteading confiscation.

But if Columbia University, what of General Dynamics? What of the myriad of corporations which are integral parts of the military-industrial complex, which not only get over half or sometimes virtually all their revenue from the government but also participate in mass murder? What are their credentials to “private” property? Surely less than zero. As eager lobbyists for these contracts and subsidies, as co-founders of the garrison state, they deserve confiscation and reversion of their property to the genuine private sector as rapidly as possible. To say that their “private” property must be respected is to say that the property stolen by the horsethief and the murdered [sic] must be “respected”.

But how then do we go about destatizing the entire mass of government property, as well as the “private property” of General Dynamics? All this needs detailed thought and inquiry on the part of libertarians. One method would be to turn over ownership to the homesteading workers in the particular plants; another to turn over pro-rata ownership to the individual taxpayers. But we must face the fact that it might prove the most practical route to first nationalize the property as a prelude to redistribution. Thus, how could the ownership of General Dynamics be transferred to the deserving taxpayers without first being nationalized enroute? And, further more, even if the government should decide to nationalize General Dynamics—without compensation, of course—per se and not as a prelude to redistribution to the taxpayers, this is not immoral or something to be combatted. For it would only mean that one gang of thieves—the government—would be confiscating property from another previously cooperating gang, the corporation that has lived off the government. I do not often agree with John Kenneth Galbraith, but his recent suggestion to nationalize businesses which get more than 75% of their revenue from government, or from the military, has considerable merit. Certainly it does not mean aggression against privateproperty, and, furthermore, we could expect a considerable diminution of zeal from the military-industrial complex if much of the profits were taken out of war and plunder. And besides, it would make the American military machine less efficient, being governmental, and that is surely all to the good. But why stop at 75%? Fifty per cent seems to be a reasonable

cutoff point on whether an organization is largely public or largely private.

And there is another consideration. Dow Chemical, for example, has been heavily criticized for making napalm for the U.S. military machine. The percentage of its sales coming from napalm is undoubtedly small, so that on a percentage basis the company may not seem very guilty; but napalm is and can only be an instrument of mass murder, and therefore Dow Chemical is heavily up to its neck in being an accessory and hence a co-partner in the mass murder in Vietnam. No percentage of sales, however small, can absolve its guilt.

This brings us to Karl’s point about slaves. One of the tragic aspects of the emancipation of the serfs in Russia in 1861 was that while the serfs gained their personal freedom, the land—their means of production and of life, their land was retained under the ownership of their feudal masters. The land should have gone to the serfs themselves, for under the homestead principle they had tilled the land and deserved its title. Furthermore, the serfs were entitled to a host of reparations from their masters for the centuries of oppression and exploitation. The fact that the land remained in the hands of the lords paved the way inexorably for the Bolshevik Revolution, since the revolution that had freed the serfs remained unfinished.

The same is true of the abolition of slavery in the United States. The slaves gained their freedom, it is true, but the land, the plantations that they had tilled and therefore deserved to own under the homestead principle, remained in the hands of their former masters. Furthermore, no reparations were granted the slaves for their oppression out of the hides of their masters. Hence the abolition of slavery remained unfinished, and the seeds of a new revolt have remained to intensify to the present day. Hence, the great importance of the shift in Negro demands from greater welfare handouts to “reparations”, reparations for the years of slavery and exploitation and for the failure to grant the Negroes their land, the failure to heed the Radical abolitionist’s call for “40 acres and a mule” to the former slaves. In many cases, moreover, the old plantations and the heirs and descendants of the former slaves can be identified, and the reparations can become highly specific indeed.

Alan Milchman, in the days when he was a brilliant young libertarian activist, first pointed out that libertarians had misled themselves by making their main dichotomy “government” vs. “private” with the former bad and the latter good. Government, he pointed out, is after all not a mystical entity but a group of individuals, “private” individuals if you will, acting in the manner of an organized criminal gang. But this means that there may also be “private” criminals as well as people directly affiliated with the government. What we libertarians object to, then, is not government per se but crime, what we object to is unjust or criminal property titles; what we are for is not “private” property per se but just, innocent, non-criminal private property. It is justice vs. injustice, innocence vs. criminality that must be our major libertarian focus.

Originally appeared in The Libertarian Forum Vol. 1, No. 6, June 15, 1969


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11 comments


  1. Karl Hess used to say that one should hold what he said in the 1960s against him as “I was on drugs at the time”.

    Is that Keith Preston’s excuse for claiming (in the title of this piece) that Murray Rothbard was a “socialist”.

    Calling someone a “libertarian socialist” is like calling someone a dry liquid – so that need not detain us. But calling Rothbard a “socialist” should be replied.to.

    YES – Murray Rothbard did a lot of dreadful things in the 1960s and early 1970s. With his “left and right join hands” stuff he tried to get young libertarians to associate with Marxists (i.e. the movement that murdered more than one hundred and fifty million people in the 20th century – see the “Black Book of Communism” and many other works). Rothbard even pushed young (and not so young) libertarians into allying with those who wanted “Uncle Ho” to win in Vietnam and Pol Pot to win in Cambodia – BUT BUT, BUT……

    There was a reason that Rothbard did all this – and it as NOT because he loved Communism (Uncle Ho. Pol Pot and so on). What Murray Rothbard wanted to do was the CONVERT the young socialists in American universities (and so on) to libertarianism.

    Of course we all know (with 40 years of hidesight) that the campaign backfired (spectacularly) – the young libertarians sent off to convert the Marxists (in organisations the Reds controlled – such as the “Students for a Democratic Society” and the Anti Vietnam “peace” movement) ended up being converted by the Reds they had been sent to convert.

    The young libertarians ended up mouthing the same “Vulgar Marxist” drivel – about how American policy was for the benefit of “the rich” and “the arms companies” as the people they were sent to associate with (and, naturally enough, they came to believe the rest of the socialist case also).

    But socialism was NOT what Rothbard wanted – it is the OPPOSITE of what Rothbard wanted.

    Murray Rothbard was NOT an enemy of large scale private property in the means of production, distribution and exchange. On the contrary – that was what he SUPPOPTED all his adult life.

    So by calling Rothbard a “socialist” all that Keith Preston has shown is that he, Keith Preston, is no good. Rotten – rotten to the core.

    It would be easy for Keith to change my mind on this point.

    Just convince me that you are (for example) a great admirer of Jon Huntsman and a defender of the Huntsman chemical company.


  2. Historical note.

    Karl Hess (too many drugs?) is (if Rothbard is citing him correctly) confusing Russia with Prussia on the matter of land ownership. And Rothbard makes a mistake in following his lead.

    It was Prussia (not Russia) where the serf owners kept the ownership of all the land after the end of serfdom.

    In Russia most farm land (before the Revolution) was owned by the farmers.

    Either as individuals, or by village communities – the Mirs.

    By the way the village community owned farm owning system (set up by the Russian GOVERNMENT after 1861) was a dreadful failure (leading to famine in bad years and so on).

    This is why Stolypin allowed individual peasants to opt out of Mirs – and take their land with them after 1905.

    Stolypin was not an economic genius – he had simply observed that the areas of Russia were individual farmers dominated, were much better than where the Mirs dominated.

    Even when side by side (same soil same everything) with private farms (either owner farmers – or landed estates) it was obvious that the Mir land ownership system (set up by the Russian government in 1861) did not work very well.

    The same can be said in the United States.

    American Indians can make perfectly good farmers and ranchers – IF there are no Tribal Councils with ownership of the land.

    The reason that the Reservations are such a terrible mess is because INDIVIDUAL American Indians do not own the land.


  3. Sorry – Karl Hess used to say that one should NOT hold the things he said in the late 1960s against him, because he was on drugs at the time.


  4. Did he mean that seriously as an excuse; or did he mean it as a humorously self-mocking way of implying “–the more fool I”, or “the stuff really messes with your brain, and I profoundly regret what I said in those days”, and MEAN it?

    It matters.


  5. Paul,
    My description of Rothbard as a “libertarian socialist” is obviously tongue in cheek. No need to get worked up.

    I do disagree with you about the effectiveness of Rothbard’s alliance with the New Left. That was the time when libertarianism actually started becoming a movement in the U.S. rather than being merely a handful of classical liberal intellectuals and foundations. Libertarians created dissident factions in both Students for a Democratic Society AND Young Americans for Freedom. These alliances were actually abandoned when the former went to Maoism and the latter went to (de facto) Fascism.

    It was during this time that the LP was founded, and that libertarianism started getting real media coverage. It was due to Rothbard’s influence that former leftist Robert Nozick formulated a landmark defense of libertarianism that got us on the map in the academic world. What Rothbard did in those years actually planted the seeds for the growth of libertarianism in the U.S.

    Libertarian sympathies are now at an all time high in North America, and it was the libertarian radicals of those years that created the foundation for most of that.


  6. Correct Julie – I was pointing at a classic modern example of a big business man (the sort of person Keith Preston hates).

    As for Karl Hess – I actually think he meant it literally.

    It is hard for me to grasp (because me health has always been so bad) that some people (a lot of people actually) actually take chemicals that make thinking more difficult – that make doing anything more difficult.

    To have all that energy and physical and mental fitness – and toss it away with booze and drugs.

    Yes they have a right to do that, and I have a right to be baffled by their throwing away what I have always so desperately wanted.


  7. That should have been “my health” not “me health”.

    My latest excuse for bad typing is that I was watching a news item about the new Mayor of New York City undermining Charter Schools (basically destroying the future of black and Hispanic students whose parents are too poor to pay to send them to fully private schools – although I can think of ways that fully private schools could be less expensive). Anything to please the Teachers Union.

    The old Mayor was bad enough (ordering everyone about – on food and so on), but the new one is demented. A mixture of Marxism (of the thuggish unintellectual sort – rather different from former Mayor Dinkins who had a socialist background but was personally a gentleman) and old style corruption – such as that squalid deal by which he gets campaign cash in return for driving the horse and carriage business out of Central Park (so that the real estate man can grab the land the stables are on).

    It is possible to have the worst of both worlds – and the New Yorkers have voted for it (such is “representative democracy……..”).


  8. I don’t know what to say. The Upper West Side types vote that way The Upper West Side types vote that way because they’re demented *sniff* and the rest because they’re bought off and mis-educated.

    Huntsman: I cannot tell a lie (well, I could, but I’m not going to). I only knew that because you’ve mentioned it a few times. 😉


  9. The rich leftists may not be quite as demented as it at first appears.

    Remember they can deduct their State and local taxes from their income before it is subject to Federal taxation. Also they can “invest” in government debt (and thus dodge taxes)

    No existing rich person is going to be made poor by Mayor Bill, even those rich people who actually invest in productive industry just have to leave the city – not a big problem if one is rich.

    The people who will be hurt the most will be the people who are always hurt the most – the people that Mayor Bill (like every Marxoid before him) pretends to represent.

    The poor.

    The poor are having their opportunities (already radically less than they should be and could be) destroyed.

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